Where’s the evidence? Give me a break! The DNA code alone is sufficient evidence. Anyone look at a video game progammer’s code would be laughed at to say it happened by random chance.

A really weak analogy (genetic code is hardly anything like video game code) is not the same thing as evidence. DNA, in fact, is very consistent with the sorts of things and patterns we see produced from genetic algorithms. And it provides more clear, definitive evidence of nested clades: i.e. the specific branching ancestry of common descent. And so on.

Science is about collecting data and presenting theories equally.

No, that would just be people airing their opinions to no one in particular. Science requires judging theories against evidence and argument. And it involves, like it or not, some theories either failing to hold up, or failing to even be testable. You, and this film, seem unwilling to even acknowledge the possibility that if ID wants to be called science, then it has to be prepared to accept that it could be judged as bad science. That is, after all, the standard that all science is held to: that IS equal treatment. It’s this film that is demanding special protection from criticism and judgment for a set of ideas that it favors.

Yes it is a belief system. the bad example of catholic evoltionist is about the same as a catholic mafia hit man. you see lots of people compartimentalize their beliefs when there is obvious conflict rather than resolving it.

But there isn’t any “obvious” conflict to how these people see things. Biblical literalism is not the only religious view. Plus, you’re sort of dodging the issue here. I raised catholic scientists as a counter-example to the claim that evolution requires or leads to atheism. Your objections don’t really speak to that subject at all.

But,let’s not forget many scientists give lip service to evolution just so they don’t lose their jobs,tenure or grants. That what this movie is all about.

That’s what it claims, which isn’t the same thing as those claims being accurate or informative of the real situtation.

Challenging intollerant elitists who dont want opposing views aired. In a free society, squashing debate on science is wrong.

This claim is just bizarre. Here the proponents of ID have millions of dollars and 90 minutes to air their views. Countless books, websites, and other promotional access in the media and elsewhere. Seems like ID gets to air its views just fine to me.

Science should never be dogma.

You allegation that it is is basically just a thin cover for the position that you don’t want it to have any standards.

but I have to laugh at so many who think Darwinism and its cohorts are NOT religion!

You know, critics of evolution seem to do a lot of laughing. A lot of snickering, baiting, insulting, psychoanalyzing, and all the rest. But somehow it never really gets beyond that point, and this movie looks to be a litany of those previous tactics. But where are the arguments? Where is the evidence?

Why, exactly, is it so risible to note that evolutionary biology is not a religion? Catholic biologists who agree with evolutionary biology: do they have TWO religions, according to your calculations? Evolutionary biology is a scientific theory, based on evidence and inference. It isn’t a worldview. It doesn’t have a plan for our lives. It doesn’t tell you where to go on Sunday, or any other day. There are no rituals, no ceremonies. It’s doesn’t, in fact, rely on people doing anything at all to observe it or care about it.

It’s a scientific theory. How is it a religion? Do tell.

There’s a lot of bad science out there (I’m an ex-smoker who would love to expose the rubbish that was credited as “science” which made smoking the only real crime anyone could commit!) – why are you all up in arms about ID??

I post a lot about all sorts of crummy science and woo, not just ID. But ID is of particular concern because it is so pervasive, and it is a well funded movement with very real political and intellectual goals, and a decent chance at doing real harm to science and education.

And this “oooo, you’re critical because you’re scared of our amazing truths” implication is basically just another variation on the non-arguments I noted previously: it’s downright silly to make a huge fuss about something, accuse people of being Nazis and part of some vast conspiracy… and then whine when people respond those claims and are critical of the accusations. This movie is chock full of slander and lies, but apparently calling it out on them is some sort of oppression or proof that the lies are actually true.

That’s a sort of charmingly pathetic defense mechanism, really.

I’d like to see the movie.
There’s a lot of bad science out there (I’m an ex-smoker who would love to expose the rubbish that was credited as “science” which made smoking the only real crime anyone could commit!) – why are you all up in arms about ID??

Often, such big opening weekends kill the film dead because the film is not very good. Such tactics are used because it is the only way to boost box office because the film can not sustain itself, because its rubbish. I guess this is the real reason why the creationists are using such a tactic. The film is crap, no one will want to see it anyway, and will probably disappear without being noticed.

Maybe we atheists should just stay quiet, it might just go away.

If it opens in the UK, I might make some calls, see if I get any old ticket stubs see if they will give me money. Having said that, most people will be disappointed to find out its not a comedy, just another disaster movie.