Obama-Fan Ruins the Moment

I know I’ve been silent for a while, but I have a good excuse… which I won’t tell you.  Suffice to say that the end of the election has something to do with it.

Nevertheless, after a one of the happiest nights of hugging strangers that I’ve ever had, I was driving home and listening to some woman on NPR going on about what the Obama victory means for America. It went a little something like this:

“Never thought I’d live to see, etc… and this is a victory against bigotry.  Against sarcasm.  Against….uh… against atheism.”

I almost drove off the road.  Leave alone the fact that that last comment doesn’t make a lick of sense politically (yeah, all us Sarah Palin-loving atheists!), but how exactly does your perception of reality become so twisted that you can possibly work waxing poetic against the evils of bigotry into the same speech that you smear non-belief and non-believers? Isn’t that a form of bigotry?

Anyway, I shouldn’t too hard on the woman: maybe, like so many others, words fail her in what is a tremendously emotional time.

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20 Responses to Obama-Fan Ruins the Moment

  1. Hugo says:

    Wow, words fail me, she actually said that? WTF but there are more like that out there…
    Like she’s probably Frank Schaeffer’s pal:
    http://richarddawkins.net/article,3305,President-Obama-Bad-News-For-the-New-Atheists-and-Other-Fundamentalists,Frank-Schaeffer-Huffington-Post

  2. I know I’ve been silent for a while, but I have a good excuse… which I won’t tell you.

    Ever the Man of Mystery, that’s our Bad.

    Nevertheless, after a one of the happiest nights of hugging strangers

    A rather difficult to conjure mental image, actually. ;>)

    and helping deal with our nation’s troubling vodka surplus,

    I’ve always said you’re a good American. For my part, I was doing my best to deal with our nation’s equally worrisome whiskey surplus, although for me it was a case of drowning my sorrows. But that’s an argument for another day.

    I woke up this morning with a hangover and having to listen to some woman on NPR going on about what the Obama victory means for America. It went a little something like this:

    “Never thought I’d live to see, etc… and this is a victory against bigotry. Against sarcasm. Against….uh… against atheism.”

    I almost drove off the road. Leave alone the fact that that last comment doesn’t make a lick of sense politically (yeah, all us Sarah Palin-loving atheists!), but how exactly does your perception of reality become so twisted that you can possibly work waxing poetic against the evils of bigotry into the same speech that you smear non-belief and non-believers?

    Well, everyone knows that Atheists eat babies and beat up old ladies, right? Perhaps this woman was as hung over as you were. Really, Bad, I’m genuinely surprised you would even give a shit about this. Must be the Vodka. ;>)

    For what it’s worth, I honestly hope he becomes the best President we’ve ever had, but I have grave doubts about this. But we’ll see. For my part, I’m willing to give him a chance before I pass judgement, unlike some radicals who have already written him off.

    And so I say, “God bless Barack Obama!” He’s going to need all the help he can get.

    -Smith {ducking}

  3. Like she’s probably Frank Schaeffer’s pal:

    I read the Schaeffer piece, and I think he makes a great deal of sense, irrespective of one’s own religious beliefs or lack thereof.

    He correctly points out that the debate between New Atheists and the Religious Right has become an “all or nothing” war, resulting in “pro and anti God” industries.

    And make no mistake, these ARE industries. Of course, religion in the U. S. has been Big Business for years, that’s no secret. But in the last several years so has New Atheism. Just look at Dawkins website: it should have been called AtheismForSale.com.

    Dawkins and his ilk NEED the religious right in much the same way that Al Sharpton NEEDS racial bigots. In both cases, their enemies are what keeps them in business, and a very lucrative business it is. This is not to say that they are not sincere in their beliefs; I’m certain they are. But it’s a lot easier to sell (literally) a viewpoint if your target audience has a common enemy.

    For once (and I do mean for once) the Religious Right are showing a little common sense than their Atheist counterparts. They already realize that Obama will have little sympathy for their position. Frankly, I think that’s a point in Obama’s favor. But I think Schaeffer is right: Atheists may be in for a rude awakening.

    -smith

  4. Oops! First sentence in about paragraph should have read: “For once (and I do mean for once) the Religious Right are showing a little more common sense than their Atheist counterparts.”

    Sorry!

  5. Murder of Ravens “He correctly points outthat the debate between New Atheists and the Religious Right has become an “all or nothing” war…”
    It always was. It’s only recently that we noticed.

    Wait, that’s not true. It was okay when creationism was the only “ism”. It was okay when evolution was banned from schools. It was okay when the separation of Church and State just meant that it was Christians in charge of both by default (as the population used to be pretty much only Christians). It’s not okay now that it’s the other way around.

    It was okay when the colours that contributed to the melting pot ranged from white to whiter (and their cultural history ranged from Western Europe all the way east to as far away as Western Europe). It was okay when “pluralism” meant “as many as two different sects of Christianity”. It was okay when “all men are created equal” meant “all land-owning white WASP males are created equal”. It’s not okay now that pluralism is closer to meaning “pluralism”.

    “Dawkins and his ilk need the Religious Right…”
    Really? I, personally, would like to go back to being an apatheist. The New Right just causes me a headache that I would much prefer to avoid. I’m sure that Dawkins would’ve been much happier as a zoologist, doing what he loves rather than fighting so that others can do so.

    “They already realize that Obama will have little sympathy for their position.”
    As long as the Government rolls back the kleptocracy, rolls forward civil rights, returns to evidence-based governance, and tries to include all Americans in America, I don’t care that we atheists don’t get all of the pie. We shouldn’t. Nor should the far Right. It would be unAmerican for a select few to get more than they’re due. Something about egalitarianism…

    And I say all this not even being an American. We love you. We really do. I just hurts us to see you hurting yourselves.

    “…Atheists may be in for a rude awakening.”
    Ruder than waking up to a sitting VP saying:

    “No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”

  6. I’ve probably said this before, but…damn you lack of Preview!

  7. bonerboy says:

    The funniest thing here is that Obama is almost certainly an atheist. I’m not aware of any studies of the correlation between cross-cultural exposure during upbringing and religiosity, but i believe (haha) that the results of such a test would show an unequivocal trend of the type: more cross-cultural exposure (to the point of assimilation, as with the case of children attending schools in different cultures) is negatively correlated against religiosity. I’ve watched a lot of Obama speaking, and everything asserts this theory. He even went so far as to drop the comment about American hicks ‘clinging to guns and religion’! Bearing in mind the beliefs of the majority of the American electorate (92% believe in god according to a 2004 poll by the ODC) that proclaiming yourself a Christian is necessary even, in order to have a viable run at the presidency. I’m sure this has already clicked with many atheists, but we needn’t really shout about it. :D

  8. Doctor says:

    Мог бы долго с вами спорить на эту тему :)

  9. Brother Jack says:

    The funniest thing here is that Obama is almost certainly an atheist.

    What!? Really? Seriously? Thats a position one would be very hard pressed to defend. If he was an actual atheist, one would have to wonder why he would have any problems with being connected to a certain pastor. One would have to ask why he attends church regularly, even before he started running for office. Not to mention the prayerfest that was the inauguration.

    He’s no more a secret atheist than he is a secret muslim. I honestly cannot imagine why so many people seem to think he has some secret religious agenda, particularly when there is nothing to suggest that he would, other than perhaps a middle name or some comment he made. I really don’t care what god Obama chooses to worship, but it seems rather obvious that the man is a christian. It just seems he would not have been under such religious scrutiny if he was a Republican candidate.

  10. arthurvandelay says:

    Dawkins and his ilk NEED the religious right in much the same way that Al Sharpton NEEDS racial bigots.

    Yes, and abolitionists NEEDED slave-owners.

  11. Marinkina says:

    Пора переименовать блог, присвоив название связанное с доменами :) может хватит про них?

  12. Gavrilin says:

    1 п. “Не имей сто друзей, а имей сто шекелей” тоже хорошо рифмуется :)
    8 п. Ты никогда не потеряешь работу. Когда закончатся фотографии можно размещать рисунки (да хоть бы и конкурс объявить на лучший рисунок Одри (-:), аппликации и фотографии поделок из пластилина…
    9 п. Сто пудов ! :)

  13. Cederash says:

    спасибо, прочитал на одном дыхании

  14. Ferinannnd says:

    Отличная статья Спасибо огромное

  15. Avertedd says:

    Классная статья – спасибо!

  16. Ed Darrell says:

    The funniest thing here is that Obama is almost certainly an atheist.

    Yeah, Obama and Billy Graham, both. How sneaky of them to spend so much time in church, just to mislead people.

  17. Not bigotry, just a bad decision by a weird person. ;)

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