Ben Stein, Still Classy, Tells ADL to Shove It & Finally Doubts Darwin Quote

Via Thoughts in a Haystack, I see that Expelled is currently appealing to Canadian audiences and reviewers… and getting about the same critical results it saw in the US.

John Pieret highlights two interesting new elements of the story.

First, there’s Stein’s response to the Anti-Defamation League, which was understandably unhappy about the way in which Stein’s film played the Holocaust for a cheap ideological goose, and completely ignored the rather pertinent role of antisemitism:

When I asked Stein about this statement, his response revealed his hostility toward the Anti-Defamation League more than anything else, as he told me bluntly, “It’s none of their f—ing business.”

Next comes the rather shocking realization that Stein is apparently only just now either realizing or openly admitting that the Darwin quote he reads in the film from Descent of Man… the one supposedly showing Darwin’s love of eugenics and amorality… was a highly edited, misleading quote mine:

When I alerted him to the alteration of the Darwin quote and read him the full passage, he said he was “kind of dismayed if that’s true.”

It’s a little late to be “kind of dismayed.”

I have a lot of sympathy for creationists who basically read lists of carefully compiled and context-excised quotes supposedly from biologists, and are basically hoodwinked into a bunch of misconceptions about what those biologists really thought and argued.

But when you put together an entire motion picture whose premise is that the majority of working scientists are basically giant conspiracy of dunces and you know better… well, we’re rather past the point where you can employ ignorance as an excuse.

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3 Responses to Ben Stein, Still Classy, Tells ADL to Shove It & Finally Doubts Darwin Quote

  1. Tom says:

    I thought Ben Stein claimed to be some really smart guy. Didn’t he have some TV show that was based on the idea that he was smarter than most people? So now he claims what? Stupidity? Laziness?

  2. Kent J says:

    I am a pretty far right wing conservative who HATED “Expelled”.
    THe movie would have been FAR more powerful if it had just been a straight forward documentary.

    It is perfectly reasonable to look at DNA and say it is a code with a codifier.

    It is reasonable to let school districts decide their own curriculum.

    It is reasonable to ask the Federal government and State universities to keep their FCKING hands off local school districts.

    Evolutionists can go fck themselves when they shove THEIR agenda down school children’s throats… in the same way that Creationists and ID’ists can too.

    LEAVE IT TO PARENTS AND TEACHERS AND TAX PAYERS in their own districts.

    The feds can get the fck OUT.

  3. Bad says:

    It is perfectly reasonable to look at DNA and say it is a code with a codifier.

    But it isn’t scientific. It isn’t really even a very good understanding of DNA per se: it’s not really a code in the sense of a language: those are just analogies. It’s a bit of stored, coiled causality

    It is reasonable to let school districts decide their own curriculum.

    You could make a case for that, sure, but not without changing what schools are from their current form. And still, it wouldn’t be reasonable when those decisions violate the constitution by trying to teach falsehoods or coy religious assertions.

    It is reasonable to ask the Federal government and State universities to keep their FCKING hands off local school districts.

    Again, you could make a case for this being a superior situation, but it would mean changing fairly radically the way schools are funded and their purpose.

    Evolutionists can go fck themselves when they shove THEIR agenda down school children’s throats… in the same way that Creationists and ID’ists can too.

    I think rather a good case can be made that teaching actual science in science classes is perfectly legitimate, not “shoving” an agenda down kids throats any more than math class does with math.

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